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How to Address a Former Judge Who is Now a Corporate Exec?          
How to Address a Retired Officer who has a Doctorate?              
How to Address a Retired Officer who is also a Professor?              
How to Address a Retired Officer who is also a Dean?        

How to Address a Retired Officer Who Is A Professor?
Dear Mr. Hickey:
     Would you by any chance know the proper form of address for a USN Captain who is now a university professor with a PhD?  I read the note on your website regarding context (Captain when he's my commanding officer, Doctor when he's bandaging my foot, or something to that effect), but I wonder what would be suitable with an academic doctor, and in a more formal usage.  I've encountered "Captain Doctor [name]" once or twice on the Internet, but it seems a bit of a mouthful.
             --- P. L. Scott

Dear Mr. Scott:
    In the United States:
    1) We only use just one honorific at a time. So he would be "Captain (name)," "Dr. (name)," or "Professor (name)."
    2) If he's a retired Captain he probably prefers to be orally addressed as Captain (name)
In writing use Captain (full name), USN, Retired, Professor of Mathematics
    3) Military ranks are never used with academic degrees, so he'd never be "Captain (full name), PhD" .
I cover this on page 99 in my book
    4) He's probably never "Dr. (name)."
     All this said, it's never inconsiderate to ask what he prefers! Ultimately it is his preference in which you are most interested.

           -- Robert Hickey

How to Address a Retired Officer Who is A Dean?
Hi Robert,
     How would I address an envelope to a captain retired from the US Navy, who now is the dean of a college?
             --- O.S.

Dear O.S.:
    It depends on what he likes to be called. If you find he likes to be addressed as "Captain (name)" at the college ... then address him (see page 217 in my book) as:
   
    Captain (full name), USN, Retired
        
    Dean of (name of school, college, etc.)
            
    (Name of College/University)
                
   
(Address)
    If you find he prefers to be addressed as "Dr. (name)" at the college ... then in writing I would address him as:
       (Full name), (Post-nominal abbreviation for his degree)
     
       Dean of (name of school, college, etc.)
         
       (Name of College/University)
             
   
   (Address)
    "Dean (full name)" is a more informal form of address -- use it to address him orally. Call him "Dean (name)" in interactions with him as a dean. Both Captain (name) or (Name), (degrees) are more formal forms to use in writing.
    The final determination in every form of address is "what is the preference of the bearer" so in this case: What is the preference of this particular dean?
In a conversation with a British protocol expert familiar with all the titles and honors you encounter in London, he said people are never offended if you acknowledge too many of their honors -- but may be if you acknowledge too few!
           -- Robert Hickey

How to Address a Retired Officer Who Has a Doctorate?
     How does one, in written form, address a retired BGen (USAF) who has his PhD?  He goes by “Dr. Taylor” now that he is retired, but management also wants to acknowledge his service as well as his degree.
                BGen Henry Taylor, PhD, USAF (Ret)?
                BGen Henry Taylor, USAF (Ret), PhD?
               
Dr. Henry Taylor, BGen, USAF (Ret)?
    Thank you,
         --- Bill Montgomery


Dear Mr. Montgomery:
    Three part answer:
    You say he 'goes by Dr. Taylor now. When retired officers represent private companies to the armed services ... they frequently skip using their rank when dealing with active-duty officers. So in spite of management's desire to bring his former rank into the picture, I'd get back to management that the best course is to follow his preference, but it would be appropriate introduce him as "May I introduce Dr. Henry Taylor. Dr. Taylor is a retired United States Air Force Brigadier General."
    Now on to the details:
      #1  There is an American tradition that we only give a person one title at time.
            **  If he prefers to be continued to be addressed as a Brigadier General
                  then use the form I have on Brigadier General
            **  if he prefers now to be addressed as a Doctor
                  use the form I have on Doctorate
    I say "American tradition" because the "British tradition" is to give a person EVERYTHING they would ever get ... so you see names like The Right Honourable Reverend Lieutenant Colonel Dr. Lord William Ramsey, MP, VC ....  But in the US we address a person with the one "honorific" or "courtesy title" that's appropriate to the situation .... who they are to us at the moment.
     #2 Regarding you use of abbreviations: "BGen" is the DOD service-specific abbreviation used by Marine Brigadier Generals.   The DOD service-specific abbreviation for USAF Brigadier Generals is "Brig Gen"
    #3 You see "Retired" noted many ways ... but use EITHER of the following ... to (Ret)
  
          Brig Gen Henry Taylor, USAF, Ret.
  
       
  Brig Gen Henry Taylor, USAF, Retired
    For future use of abbreviations, my books has all that. It answers your questions on page 94 (use of retired with retired officers) and page 97 (DOD USAF abbreviations). 
          -- Robert Hickey

How to Address a Former Judge Who Is Now a Corporate Executive?
   My partner and I are meeting with the head of a major philanthropic and public service organization. Prior to taking on this new post the organization's head was a New York State Supreme Court Judge in the Family Court System. His new secretary answers his phone "Mr. (his last name)'s Office".  We're preparing a briefing document for him and I'm unsure if he should be addressed as "Mr." or "Judge" or "the Hon."  Any idea? 
      -- Laurane M. in New York
 
Dear LMINY:
     A retired judge is addressed in writing as
"The Honorable (full name)",  The rule is "once an Honorable, always an Honorable."
    Typically retired judges are addressed in conversation as Judge (surname). Like ambassadors, generals, and senators, they often use their former professional title in every situation for the rest of their lives.
    BUT If his own secretary says Mr. (his last name)'s office then I would think that it is his preferred form of address. He may think he is most appropriately addressed at his current job to reflect his current job. If you are still concerned, a call to his office will resolve the confusion and avoid a mistake.

                 -- Robert Hickey


Not Finding Your Question Answered?
Below are other topics covered in my blog.  If you don't see your question answered send me an e-mail. I am pretty fast at sending a reply and if I think It would be of interest to others, I will post the question and the answer with all the names and personal specifics removed.
                    -- Robert Hickey

USE OF NAMES & HONORIFICS   
Mr., Miss, Jr., III, & Names        
Married Women       
Deceased Persons         
People with Two Titles
Post-Nominal Abbreviations and Initials           
Joint Forms of Address    (How do you write two names?)   

USE OF SPECIFIC OFFICIAL TITLES        
Former Officials            
Professionals and Academics        
United States Federal Officials             
United States State Officials              
United States Municipal Officials             
       All About The Honorable with U.S. Officials         
       Former United States Officials            
United States Armed Services             
       Retired U.S. Armed Service Officers
Tribal Officials             
Clergy and Religious Officials           
Canadian Officials         
Australian Officials          
British Officials, Royalty, and Nobility        
Diplomats and International Representatives
           
Foreign National Officials and Nobility        

SPECIFIC SITUATIONS
Etiquette             
Flags: Traditions and Protocol             
Introductions
            
Invitations: Writing & Addressing
        
Invitations: Just Armed Service Personnel        
Names on Programs, Signs, & on Lists           
Place Cards            

Precedence: Ordering Officials           
Thank You Notes             


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The Official Guide to Names, Titles, and Forms of Address
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