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How to Decide Which Honorific to Use: Mrs. or Ms.? I am a school board representative who received a hand-written note from the school librarian asking me to read to a class. The envelope was addressed to M Robin Buchanan, not Mrs. or Ms. Is using M to address a woman a proper salutation? I understood M is to be used to address men. I thought perhaps the librarian did not know if I was a male or female, although that information would be easy to find. Should I be concerned by her lack of consideration to the person she is writing to or worry that she is using improper salutations? Or do I something new to learn? Thank you for your clarification. Best regards, -- Mrs. Robin Buchanan
Dear Ms. Buchanan: 1) The issue here is 'how to address you formally?' I suspect they wrote M Robin Buchanan ... just because didn't which honorific you preferred ... or didn't know your gender ... and were avoiding the issue. I advise if one is writing someone and are unsure of how he or she prefers to be addressed -- call and ask. I find no one minds being asked how to be addressed respectfully. 2) As to the question of 'How do I present my name to others?' .... today I observe that married women use various honorifics depending on the situation. Ms. Robin Buchanan ... where their marital status is not an issue but you want to specify an honorific. Doing so implies you are not automatically on a first-name basis and prefer be formally addressed in conversation as Ms. Buchanan. Many women use this form at work. Mrs. (husband's first name) Buchanan .... in very formal situations or when you are involved as a spouse/part of a couple. This definitely implies that others will call you Mrs. Surname. Widows continue to use this form when formally addressed as part of a couple. Mrs. Robin Buchanan .... is often the choice of women in the context of being a mom -- dealing with school teachers (as you do), pediatricians, etc. This form provides the first name for those with whom they would be on a first-name basis. For me ... as an outsider .... this form has the potential to cause some confusion since it is not clear whether they want others to address them by first name or as Mrs. Surname. Part of presenting your name is giving guidance to the other person as what you want to be called in subsequent conversation. Robin Buchanan .... is casual. You also use this form when signing your own name: One never gives oneself an honorific. So to me -- you are all of those names at different times. You choose the one that's right for the circumstance. For formal etiquette geeks like me Mrs. Robin Buchanan is the traditional form for a divorced woman who was formerly married to someone named "Buchanan" .... but had kept using the "Buchanan" perhaps because that's the family name of her kids, or for some other reason. BUT ... one of the basics of forms of address is that your name belongs to you .... and EVERYONE is entitled to be addressed as they prefer! -- Robert Hickey Dear Mr. Hickey Thank you for your prompt and thorough answer to my question. As a school director, I hope that our teachers follow proper etiquette in every way, especially when dealing with the public. I will relay your response to the librarian and show that we all can learn something new every day. I certainly have! I will refer to your site for all protocol questions. I followed the link to review your book and will suggest to our librarian we get a copy. I enjoyed the section on how to address a PhD and how to address a MD. I work with few PhDs but an increasing number of EdDs (Doctorate of Education). I previously worked in health care and therefore worked with many physicians. From my limited experience, the PhDs and EdDs all are more defensive about being called “doctor” than an MD. I agree with your medical friend’s response to the “doctor” question. Thank you again for your time. It was a pleasure. -- Mrs. Robin Buchanan
How Do I Address a Spouse in Conversation? I was wondering if you could help me with the distinction between use of “Miss,” "Ms.," and “Mrs.” We have a visitor coming to visit our headquarters with his spouse and we are told that we should call her either Mrs. (Husband's first name and last name) or (Her first name and his last name). e.g. Mrs. Paul Smith or Carla Smith ... but not to call her Mrs. Carla Smith as that would imply she is divorced. Is that right? -- Wondering about Married Women
Dear Wondering, Here are some things to consider: If she is coming as the "wife of" a visitor, then in writing she would traditionally be: Mrs. (Husband's complete name) And in conversation use: Mrs. (Husband's last name) Women who are included as a spouse are typically O.K. with being Mrs. (Husband's Full Name). They are being included because they are a spouse, not on their own. In an oral introduction you could May I introduce Mrs. (Surname) or May I introduce (Woman's first name) (Surname) .... no honorific .... either is O.K. This is how it is done for First Ladies. For instance the wife of "Bush-43" was either Mrs. George W. Bush, Mrs. Bush or Laura Bush. Hillary didn't mind Mrs. Clinton, but did not want to be addressed as Mrs. William J. Clinton .... and requested to be addressed as Mrs. Clinton and referred to as First Lady, Hillary Rodham Clinton. If she chose the form of address many working women use, she likely would have used Ms. Hillary Clinton, (... or perhaps Ms. Hillary Rodham if when practicing law if she wanted to continue use of her maiden name.) Yes ... Mrs. (woman's first name) (surname) ... is the format traditionally used by divorced women in the U.S. Widow's traditionally continue to be "Mrs. (Deceased husband's full name)" .... as long as they don't remarry. -- Robert Hickey
How to Address a Married Woman: Ms? or Mrs.? In my country (Trinidad), we use the British grammar, but I’m sure you can help with regard to the usage of the word “Ms.” I use it if I’m not sure that the lady is married e.g. “Ms. Jane Jones” When she uses a hyphenated name e.g. Jane Smith-Jones, I will address her as “Mrs. Jane Smith-Jones”. However, I have been told that in this circumstance, she should be addressed as “Ms. Jane Smith-Jones”. Which is correct? Mary Lister (Miss) in the Trinidad
Dear Miss Lister: I am not sure I can advise you of what to do in Trinidad & Tobago but I can tell you what I know is happening in the USA. In the USA it is acceptable to address any woman you don't know personally as Ms. .... e.g., "Ms. Nancy Jones." "Ms." is an equivalent to "Mr." which defines gender but not marital status. Since it's against the law to discriminate on the basis of sex, age, marital status, etc. in employment .... Ms. removes non-pertinent info from the name. When marital status is pertinent as in family activities (social), "Ms. Nancy Jones" may use "Mrs. Henry Jones" and "Mrs. Jones" too. I hear from married woman who want to be addressed as "Mrs. Nancy Jones" ... but from a traditional point of view, that's the form which is correct for a divorced woman who still wants to use her former husband's family name for some reason.. I have friends where the wife does not like "Mrs. Henry Jones" ... EVER .... she likes: Mr. Henry Jones and Ms. Nancy Jones Address Re: Hyphenated Names: If you encounter someone with a hyphenated name ... in the US we'd just use it as presented with "Ms." like you note: "Ms. Nancy Smith-Jones." Whether that's her married name ... or birth-family name ... doesn't enter into the use of honorific. In the USA the use of "Miss" has been reduced to addressing girls of under ten or twelve years of age ... and once they have become a teenager, they want to be Ms. which they see as adult. I just taught a class of 42 students .. none knew anyone who used "Miss" professionally ... and only two people knew anyone who used "Miss" socially -- and they were elderly women. I have since met two women who used "Miss" professionally. All this said ... in doing the research on my book I found that there are some women who use "Miss" and "Mrs." professionally. But you see it less and less often in the USA: Ms. has come ubiquitous. -- Robert Hickey
How to Introduce Married Women from The Podium? Dear Mr. Hickey, How should I introduce members of the book committee (I am the chair) to the full club membership at a meeting? Some of committee members use Mrs. (their husband’s full name), others Mrs. (their full name), and others avoid the issue by using just their (First and last name). What should I do? -- Mrs. Michael Dillon ... aka ... Jane Dillon
Dear Mrs. Dillon, I recently spoke at at meeting of the Centennial Club in Nashville, Tennessee, and noted a speaker using a form that worked. She gave a woman's married name followed by her given name. While it may seem a bit elaborate, it enabled the speaker to avoid offending anyone: Mrs. Michael Dillon .... Jane Mrs. Thomas Franklin ... Cindy Mrs. Robert Elizer ... Harriet Mrs. Richard Montgomery ... Francis -- Robert Hickey
How to Address A Married Women: Mrs. or Ms.? I came upon your site when searching for an answer to my question regarding addressing a married woman who kept her maiden name. For example, my name is Hope Miller. My husband’s surname is Clark but I did not change my name when we married. So, which is the correct way to address someone in this situation: Ms. Hope Miller or Mrs. Hope Miller? Is it acceptable to address me as Mrs. Hope Clark even though I am not legally a "Clark"? I would really appreciate your insight. -- Hope Miller
Dear Ms. Miller: You need a legal name for your taxes, passports, purchasing real estate, etc., but you can pretty much use whatever name you want to socially as long as you pay your bills! For example, an actress might have legal name, a stage name and a married name ... answer to all of them ... use each in the appropriate situation. Most frequently women who use a different surname than their husband, use in professional situations (when their marital status is not pertinent): Ms. Hope Miller Mrs. Hope Miller is a bit odd to me since Mrs. traditionally means Wife Of .... though certainly many women using their birth name use it to insert their marital status into their name. About using your husband's family name: You might indeed use Hope Clark or Mrs. Clark ... for example, with your children's teachers or at a neighborhood party. It's not your legal name ... but it might be who you are at the moment. I list all the traditional forms and several questions on this topic at http://www.formsofaddress.info/Social_M_W.html -- Robert Hickey |
| Use of Mrs. in Ireland Would you mind updating your section regarding this topic, especially for those women who reside in Ireland? Here it is rightfully acknowledged in Article 41 of the Irish Constitution, Bunreacht na hÉireann, that the Family founded on Marriage is "the natural primary and fundamental unit group of Society, and as a moral institution possessing inalienable and imprescriptible rights, antecedent and superior to all positive law." The institution of the Family founded on Marriage has greater rights and protections than persons who are not part of such a Family. Article 41 continues, "The State, therefore, guarantees to protect the Family in its constitution and authority, as the necessary basis of social order and as indispensable to the welfare of the Nation and the State" and "pledges itself to guard with special care the institution of Marriage, on which the Family is founded, and to protect it against attack." Article 41 simply recognises that the Family founded on Marriage acts at all times as a Unit with very clear and publicly enforceable rights to privacy and non-interference from the State. These rights reinforce the accepted inviolability of Marriage being for the procreation of children and being lifelong. As the State has a clear duty to respect the superior position of Families, the members with Standing in such Families must be easily recognisable to any public official. The terms Mr and Mrs identify such persons and their usage establishes and protects the families from the natural impulse of the State to intrude and involve itself with family affairs where it is not permissible or welcome. This is especially so where the prevailing Government is of a socialist bent (which they all seem to be these days). The introduction by feminists (who are in every sense of the word Marxists) of the "politically correct" term Ms was to directly undermine the Family especially in relation to their precious State. In Ireland (and we suspect this also applies to many other jurisdiction who are not so lucky as to have a written Constitution which establishes their natural God-given rights) the State continuously attempts to take over the role of the Spouses and supervise the Family as if it were not an institution but simply a collection of isolated unrelated individuals. The use of the term Ms is simply part and parcel of the secular power grab and must be resisted. In Ireland (at least) a third party requires the joint power and authority of the Family, i.e. the consent of the Husband to the Wife's application or the consent of the Wife to the Husband's application before they can lawfully involve themselves in the Family's affairs. This applies also to the State and all its organs. Whereas – as the serpent found in the Garden of Eden – it is generally easier for a third party to convince the woman in a relationship to do their bidding (due to the need for her to be open to perform her part in creation) it is much harder to convince both her and the man into their affairs. Where the couple can not agree to the involvement of the third party none can lawfully take place. Thus the Family is protected from attack and unnecessary distractions. In Ireland it is actually not only disrespectful but unlawful for the State to refuse to acknowledge a married woman as such and the marital status announced by the term Mrs must always be used. Thank you for your interest.
God Bless Roger Eldridge Executive Director, Institute of Family and Marriage National Office: Knockvicar, Boyle, Co. Roscommon Website: www.family-men.com Email: familymen@eircom.net Telephones: 00353 (0) 7196-67138 00353 (0) 83-3330256
Chairman, National Mens Council of Ireland "Doing what men have always done … protecting their Families, Faith and Freedom from attack by Big Business and Big Government"
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