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Site updated by Robert Hickey on May 16, 2012
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| How to Write Elected Officials Names on an Agenda? How to Write Elected Officials Names in a Program? How to Write An Official's Name on a Sympathy Card? How to Write Current & Former Officials' Names in a Program? How to Write Elected Officials Names in the Minutes of a Board? How to Write Names in a Roster: With Dr.? Or with PhD/MD? How to Write The Name of the Holder of Many Former Offices? How to Name a Building? How to Name a Road?
When Are Ranks and Offices Capitalized in Text? Abbreviate or Spell Out Military Ranks in Text? How to Refer to an Official First and Subsequentially in Text?
How to Write a Married Couple's Name on a Donor List? How to Write a Married Couple's Name When One is Deceased? How to Write An Official and Spouse on a Donor List?
How to Write An Official's Name on a Plaque? Can One Change a Name on a Plaque When the Name Changes? How to Write A Name When The Submitted Style is Incorrect?
How to Acknowledge Multiple Officials Seated In the Audience?
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How to Name a Building After a Person? Our agency is in the process of naming a building after a deceased Executive Director. We are also having signage placed on the the building. Dr. Delaney earned a Doctorate of Public Administration. Our staff wishes to have the signage on the building as: Peter W. Delaney, DPA Head Start Center We believe that it should be: Dr. Peter W. Delaney Head Start Center -- Terry Kelly
Dear T.K.: Buildings are usually named for people without honorifics ... Dr., Judge, Senator, Mayor ..... or without post nominals ... MD, PhD, MBA. E.g., at the Metropolitan Museum of Art galleries and wings are named: The Iris B. and Gerald Canter Exhibition Hall The Robert Lehman Wing Grace Rainy Rogers Auditorium Or at UCLA Ackerman Union Llewellyn M.K. Boelter Hall Almira Hershey Hall Based on the examples at leading institutions, the best style would be: Peter W. Delaney Head Start Center -- Robert Hickey
 How To Name a Road? I have a question about using “the Honorable”… I just saw a news item in our legislative service this AM and noticed that a former Oklahoma official (now deceased) will have her name on a highway sign as shown below: Shelton's authored legislative language that renames a section of Interstate 35 in Atkins' honor. Under the new law, the portion of Interstate 35 in Oklahoma City running north from Northeast 23rd Street to the junction of Interstate 35 and Interstate 44 will now be designated as the "Honorable Hannah Diggs Atkins, Secretary of State, Memorial Highway." I think it should say The Honorable Hannah Diggs Atkins, Secretary of State of Oklahoma, Memorial Highway. What do you advise? I have placed a call to the legislator’s office. -- Chris in Oklahoma
Dear CIO: You are right ... it is always The Honorable. However ..."The Honorable" is used in address to living people .... not with the name of a deceased person. Hence you don't see: The Honorable George Washington Bridge The Honorable Abraham Lincoln Memorial It is simply: The George Washington Bridge The Abraham Lincoln Memorial So call them up and make sure they know it should be: Hanna Diggs Atkins Memorial Highway -- Robert Hickey
The Man's or Woman's Name First When Naming a Building For a Couple? I am creating a rustic wooden sign for my daughter & her husband for their lake house. I was planning on on putting Todd & Bethany's Lake House on the sign, but my friend insists that there is a rule that Bethany should be first. Is there a rule on this? -- DC
Dear DC, There is a "rule" that when you write a couple's name ... and they use his family name as their joint family name ... you keep "his" name together as a unit: Bethany and Todd Wilson Rather than: Todd and Bethany Wilson Other books suggest that the woman's name is always first ... due a "ladies first" rule. I don't think either are critically important rules since using both first names is informal ... and informality is flexible. (Formal would be Mr. and Mrs. Todd Wilson) I am always looking at donor lists in programs and you typically see both forms among the names. So to me it's a personal option ... but I would use your friend's suggestion. I follow the Bethany and Todd Wilson rule, thus the Bethany and Todd's Lake House form is consistent with that ... and I like to be consistent. Professional obsession I guess! -- Robert Hickey |
How to List Members of a Board in the Minutes If They Also Hold Other Official Offices? I take minutes for a state finance board chaired by our Governor, who is also the board's president. Other elected officials on the board are the Lieutenant Governor and state's Treasurer. I've been instructed to henceforth identify each as "The Honorable" when referring to them on the roster. Do I list the governor as the board president AND the governor? Do I say, "The Honorable Susana Martinez, Governor and President? -- Judith in New Mexico
Dear Judith: I suggest that in the minutes of your board's meetings the participants be listed only by their function on that board. If they are appointed to the board due to another position they hold, that's defined in your charter ... or was perhaps included in previous minutes which welcomed them as a new member. For example, the previous minutes would reflect: the new member and their qualifications / other positions / who appointed them / or whatever. But during a board meetings they are a acting as a member of that board ... not as the holder of another position that qualified them to be on the board. So: *** If the state treasurer is on the board as a member, in the board's minutes he'd be listed as a member. *** Whereas .... If the state attorney general is not on the board, but participates in the meeting for some reason, he is a guest and is participating in the meeting as the State Attorney General ... so I would list him as the State Attorney general ... thus not a member of the board. But all this is more a matter of style than substance. I just submit that the minutes of a particular meeting are not the record of how and why the appointed members got to be on the board. -- Robert Hickey
Should I Put An Official's Office On a Plaque? I sit on the board of a local community organization and am preparing appreciation plaques for several Virginia state senators and members of the Virginia House of Delegates. Is it appropriate to just use their names (without titles) on the plaques, or should we use their titles as well? If we should use titles, which one(s) are appropriate? -- Karen Snell, M.D. / in Central Virginia
Dear Dr. Snell: Include or not include the office? If you honoring them due to actions taken based on there office ... exercising powers or privileges that might accompany their office .... it's would be a good practice to write their name in a style consistent with their office. The Honorable (Full Name) Or perhaps including the office, such as: The Honorable (Full Name) Senator, Virginia State Assembly Or less formally Senator (Full Name) Delegate (Full Name) As to why you would include their formal name & office ... flip it around: how would they list you? If it was trophy from neighborhood tennis tournament they might just list you by your given and family name ... since you are just Karen to them. But if it was some sort of community honor .... and your profession was pertinent ... they'd always include Dr. or M.D. to note your professional service and position in the community. time -- Robert Hickey
May One Add Post-Nominals Retroactively? Can a person who is awarded an MBE (Member of the Order of the British Empire) in 2010, put the post-nominal MBE after his name on ''winners'' boards showing that he won golf competitions, prior to him receiving the award of the MBE? This has generated a lot of discussion in the Golf Club and your advise would be warmly welcomed. -- Jeff Hardison
Dear Mr. Hardison: It would be odd to rewrite history to include honors and decorations received later in one's life. It makes me wonder if an Nobel Laureate can go back and have himself listed as such as the presenter of his high school valedictory speech? I think you are located in the UK, and the British tradition is to include more post-nominals ... in more situations ... than we do in the US. But including the post-nominal abbreviations on a golf record in any circumstance is an odd policy to me. Are the post-nominals of PhDs, MDs, & DDSs included on list? In the US post-nominals are used with official situations (regarding one's work) -- but not in personal/social situations. And even in official situations post-nominals are included just when PERTINENT: E.g., a person with masters in library science would include the post-nominal on a business card if working as a librarian, but if working as an interior decorator ... would not ... because the degree does not support their performance of the activity. For example, even though MDs tend to use MDs all the time,my Uncle Robert was an MD -- won his country club's championship and was listed simply as (First Name) (Last name) on the plaque in the clubhouse. No. "Dr." No "MD" Let me know if this approach makes sense to you. I'd like to be a fly on a wall during your golf club discussions! -- Robert Hickey Dear Robert, Thank you for your prompt reply which I find most illuminating. It is not the policy of the Club to use post-nominal abbreviations, as one of my playing partners is also an OBE (Officer of the Order of the British Empire) and he does not have this after his name on the Honour's board. Naturally he started the conversation, as he keeps the award rather discreet. I feel that your last comment makes eminent sense to me and will keep you appraised of the situation (out of curiosity) if you so wish. -- Jeff
Abbreviate or Spell Out Ranks in Text? I'm a fiction writer, and I'm currently having a difference of opinion with my editor in regards to usage of abbreviations of military ranks. He says that rank abbreviation is alright in the course of narrative text, but should always be written out in dialogue. I assume he means, for example, "I want Sergeant James put in the guardhouse," said Lt. Bigelow. But isn't it also correct to write, "I want Sgt. James put in the guardhouse," said Lt. Bigelow. -- Ernest Greer
Dear Mr. Greer: In forms of address there is a rule that says when you orally introduce someone you say what the abbreviation represents ... and do not say the abbreviations. Thus one would say that "Our speaker today holds a doctorate in..." and not say "Our speaker today holds a P-H-D in..." So you always say the word, but write the abbreviation. Based on that, your editor's editorial style seems logical to me, and aligns with a forms of address rule I follow. -- Robert Hickey
How to Write a Couple's Name On a Donor List When the Husband is a City Councilman? I am President of our Friends of the Library and are engraving some bricks for a new sidewalk path being installed. We are including our Council Members and their wives, but are unsure the proper way of titling them. We are given 3 rows of 16 characters or spaces each. Would you please provide us some guidance? Would we list them as: Council Member Drexel and Kate Douglas Council Member Drexel & Kate Douglas Council Member Pam and Adam Steel Council Member Pam & Adam Steel Or some other variation? We are trying to make this a surprise so have not approached any of them or City Hall. -- Jack Scott
Dear Mr. Scott, Hummmm. The options you suggest are awkward because you are combining official and social forms of address ... including an official's elected office ... with .... the couple's names in an social way. Members of city councils are typically addressed on an envelope or in the letter by whatever honorific they are entitled to (Mr./Ms./Dr./etc.), and identified as a member of a council: Mr. Drexel Douglas, Member, Hudson County Council You would never see Senator Evan and Susan Bayh in Washington. Formally when someone holds an office they get their name as a unit ... so .... Senator Evan Bayh and Mrs. Bayh ... is correct ... and is how an invitation would be better addressed to them. If you are limited for space and must include spouses, include the names and leave off the Council Member. Bricks are permanent, membership on the city council is fleeting. -- Robert Hickey How to Write a Couple's Name On a Donor's List? We are figuring out how to request or names be listed on a donor's list. We see in your book that the most formal way to write our names is Ambassador Kenneth Cole Britt and Mrs. Britt. BUT I want both our names listed and for my wife not to be listed as Mrs. Britt. We are thinking of -- Ambassador Kenneth Cole and Mary Leighton Britt. I've seen that form used at many museums. Technically I am The Honorable but you don't see that very often in this sort of list. Right? -- Ken
Dear Ambassador Britt, I have seen that form at carved on walls of museums too, but I always assume they were lacking space for a complete name or were ran short of money for the engraving and had to skimp on the number of letters. Regarding the form I give in my book: it is the most formal form for others to use to address you. In what you write about today, it's you writing your own name -- not a form of address. The Honorable would be used by others addressing you -- not you presenting your own name. I like what you suggest except I would include your full name ... then your wife's full name. So I suggest: Ambassador Kenneth Cole Britt and Mary Leighton Britt Which would be for other ranks: Captain Kenneth Cole Britt and Mary Leighton Britt Judge Kenneth Cole Britt and Mary Leighton Britt Pastor Kenneth Cole Britt and Mary Leighton Britt And for couples that don't have a rank or special honorific ... leave of the Mr. and Mrs.: Kenneth Cole Britt and Mary Leighton Britt -- Robert Hickey How to List a Widow, Her Deceased Husband & Her Children as Donors? A "Special Tribute Book", is being put together to commemorate our Rabbi's 25th Anniversary. I have been requested to submit, in writing, how I would like my contribution to be listed under "Name/Family Names". I would like to include my deceased husband's name, as well as my first name, and include the names of our children. Would you assist me with proper wording? For example, Mrs. Robert G. Green, (Pearl), and adult children Michael, Russell, Edward, and Rebecca. My husband died just over one year ago. We were married fifty six years ago, in this temple. Please send a speedy reply, if possible. -- Pearl
Dear Pearl: I'm not crazy about "her adult children" ... and I think you should include your name and your husband's name. I've seen Mrs. Robert G. Green (Pearl) used here and there, but I think it's awkward. How about: Pearl B. Green with her children Michael, Russell, Edward, and Rebecca in memory of Robert G. Green. In identifying them as "her chlidren" and everyone will know, or be able to figure out, you are also Mrs. Robert G. Green. What do you think? -- Robert Hickey I'm going to go with your suggestion: Pearl B. Green with her children Michael, Russell, Edward, and Rebecca in memory of Robert G. Green. I read the exact wording to our son, Michael, and asked him if it sounded right to him, or needed to be rephrased? His said, "Mom, I think it is great!" That's all I needed to hear. He's been a blessing to me, from the moment his Dad brought him into my life, fifty-seven years ago! Thank you, again. I wish you well. You have been most helpful. -- Pearl
How to Write the Name of a Deceased Person On a Certificate of Recognition? Our parish is celebrating its 50th Anniversary. We are giving Certificates of Recognition to honor our Founding Parishioners. My question is how to list a couple when one person is deceased? The committee recommends putting the living person’s name first, following by the deceased spouse. Example: If the husband is deceased: Mary & Joseph Smith If the wife is deceased: Joseph & Mary Smith After reading your online information under “Deceased,” I don’t think this is correct. Should it be: Mary & the late Joseph Smith (if the husband is deceased) and The late Mary & Joseph Smith (if the husband is deceased) Or can it be: Mary & Joseph (cross) Smith (if the husband is deceased); and Mary (cross) & Joseph Smith (if the wife is deceased). It is common in our Church to designate someone is deceased by placing a small cross after their name. -- Powell Dean
Dear Mr. Dean: IN WRITING: To me if you are honoring the founding parishioners -- just list their names without noting whether the are alive or dead at this moment -- since they were alive when they were contributing to the parish. Mr. and Mrs. Thomas Smith Thomas James Smith and Mary Wilson Smith Thomas and Mary Smith Mary and Thomas Smith Any of the above would work. Style manuals vary on whether #3 or #4 is the preferred form if both given names are presented. If you have an established style of putting a cross by the names of deceased ... then ... Mary and Thomas (cross) Smith .... is clear. But I don't see how it's pertinent in this context. Is it that you want historians to be able to look back and know who was alive at the 50th Anniversary Celebration? ORALLY: If you are having an ceremony where the founders will be recognized by name the podium, it makes sense to recognize only those founders who are present. So if Mary Smith is present ... recognize her .... and orally note that her late husband, Thomas Smith, was also a founding member. -- Robert Hickey |
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-- Jim Sternberg
Dear Jim: If you have a wide variety of officials the challenge is to figure out a natural place to stop mentioning them by name so you don't spend your time picking out certain people in the audience ... and end up overlooking others. Here is the standard approach: The speaker will specifically acknowledge those on the podium then go on to acknowledge everyone else in a generally way. E.g., The President at the State of the Union Message is on the podium with just the Speaker of the House of Representatives and The Vice President ... so he begins his speech with those officials in precedence order: Madame Speaker, Mr. Vice President, distinguished guests, and the American people .... etc. If no one is on the podium with you ... thank just the person who introduced you ... so if Thomas Smith is the master of ceremonies ... Mr. Smith, distinguished visitors, and ladies and gentlemen ... And when ending your speech, I got some excellent advice from Linda Reed, a PSOW Graduate in Eugene, Oregon. Linda achieved her Distinguished Toastmaster (DTM) from Toastmasters International a few years ago. She suggests "To end a speech the speaker would make their final point which could be a summarization of their strongest points or a call to action. Then the speaker can turn and extend a hand to shake hands with the person who will resume the control of the lectern or simply step back from the lectern, but not leave the lectern until the next speaker is there." -- Robert Hickey
How to Refer to Retired Armed Forces Personnel In Text? I saw on your website that you are welcome to questions in reference to addressing someone. I am looking for information on how to address a retired Command Sergeant Major William Smith in an article for a magazine. I want to quote him ... What is the right way to do this? -- CW3 Gillen Dear CW3 Gillen, If you are writing about person in a magazine article, you are actually referring to him in the third person ... so it is not a direct form of address. This is really an editorial style question ... but I have some information on it. Anyone who is retired and wishes continue to use their rank socially is authorized to do so by DoD documents. In official situations they are directed to include that they are "Retired" or "Ret." ... in the formula [Rank] [Full Name], [Branch of Service], [Retired] Refer to him the first time as: Command Sergeant Major William Smith, USA, Retired Then you've established that he's retired Thereafter in article refer to him as: Command Sergeant Major Smith CSM Smith -- Robert Hickey
Are Ranks & Offices Capitalized? When you have already referred to Captain Smith in a work of fiction, for instance, and then refer to THIS PARTICULAR CAPTAIN SMITH again, and it is clear from the context (because, perhaps, he is the only CAPTAIN spoken of in the text) does one capitalize the C in captain? (that's when no Smith appears.) Captain Smith was a tough officer. When the Captain greeted us OR When the captain greeted us -- Jerome S. T.
Dear Jerome S. T.: This is really a copy editing question ... rather that a form of address question ... but I know the answer. Proper names are always capitalized ... so when you refer to a specific "Captain" by rank-only ... it is capitalized just like it is a name: When the Captain arrives we will have dinner. The President and Mrs. Obama will travel to the United Kingdom. Please ask the Ambassador if he wants milk in his tea. When you refer to the rank, but not to a specific person, it is not capitalized: The ranks of captain in the USN and captain in the USA are not equivalent. The office of president of the United States has a term of four years An accredited ambassador from the Federal Republic of Germany has not been assigned. -- Robert Hickey What To Call Judges & Justices in a Court Report? As a court reporter, it is standard for us to indicate who is speaking by putting, e.g., “MR. JONES:” and then follow with his comments. I have questions regarding how to indicate individuals when “Mr.” or “Ms.” is not sufficient. When a former chief justice of a state supreme court speaks, is it preferred to keep the title and put “CHIEF JUSTICE (last name):” or “CHIEF JUSTICE (full name):” or “THE HONORABLE (full name):” or “MR. JONES:” or something else? As to a person who is currently serving on the U.S. Court of Appeals, should that person be shown as “THE HONORABLE (full name):” or something else? Can one serve without being a judge? Thanks very much for your help, as I do not want to indicate disrespect by not using the correct title. -- Sandi Lyonnaise Dear Sandi, You write: As a court reporter, it is standard for us to indicate who is speaking by putting, e.g., “MR. JONES:” and then follow with his comments. I have questions regarding how to indicate individuals when “Mr.” or “Ms.” is not sufficient. The issue here is what is a form of address? vs. what is the editorial style to use when referring to a person in the third person in text -- so the reader will be clear who you are discussing? Your question is a matter of editorial style rather than a form of address. In a court report, if a person has a special function, it makes sense to continue to use his or her "title" for clarity ... rather than just "Mr./Ms." A form of address is what you use when directly speaking or writing TO the person. The President of the United States is directly addressed as "Mr. President" and referred to by his staff as "The President" His name is never used. However, reporters refer to him as "Obama" "Barack Obama" "President Obama" and even "Mr. Obama." None of those are forms of address ... but are clear in news report who the reporter is referring to. If you meet him ... call him "Mr. President" ... not "President Obama."
You write: When a former chief justice of a state supreme court speaks, is it preferred to keep the title and put “CHIEF JUSTICE (last name):” or “CHIEF JUSTICE (full name):” or “THE HONORABLE (full name):” or “MR. JONES:” or something else? If they are speaking from an official position... then you could refer to them as a "Justice" If not ... "The Honorable" would be complete correct and more accurate, since he continues to be "The Honorable" forever. Since there is only one chief justice, a former chief justice is not formally addressed as "chief justice" since it would be disrespectful to the current office holder. Especially in the present of a current "Chief Justice."
You write: As to a person who is currently serving on the U.S. Court of Appeals, should that person be shown as “THE HONORABLE (full name):” or something else? Can one serve without being a judge? A judge is "The Honorable (Full Name)" in writing ... and in a salutation or conversationally is "Judge (Surname). If he or she is on a court ... he or she is a judge or justice as far as I know.
Wow. that was a lot! If this sort of thing comes up often, you need a copy of my book! -- Robert Hickey
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Dear JM, #1 It's not a traditional form of address in the USA. In the US we use a simplified form in which military ranks are not used with another honorific ... or post-nominal .... so he can be: Lieutenant Colonel William Edwards or Dr. William Edwards but never Dr. Lieutenant William Edwards and never Lieutenant Dr. William Edwards. U.S. Department of Defense guidelines suggest for retired officers that Retired or Ret. be used after the name ... Not (Ret) .....and their branch of service be listed ... so it would be: Lieutenant Colonel William Edwards, USA, Ret. or Lieutenant Colonel William Edwards, USA, Retired #2 If he's a medical doctor who served in the medical corps of, say, the United States Army, there's a branch of service form just for that which is. .... Lieutenant Colonel William Edwards, Medical Corp USA, Ret. #3 If he is foreign citizen ... around the world they do use compound forms. E.g., with the British their name is their resume. So you do see: His Excellency The Right Reverend Captain Dr. Sir William Edwards, GCMB, CBE, MP See my postings on retired officers at: http://www.formsofaddress.info/USA_Retired.html ... Or even more specifically at: http://www.formsofaddress.info/USA.html#037 And if you are listing him socially ... not officially ... see http://www.formsofaddress.info/USA_Retired.html#219 #4 All that said ... if he says his name is "Dr. (Ret) Lieutenant Colonel Wiliam Edwards" I would not change it. Ultimately his name belongs to him and he can create his name to be whatever he wants it to be. Traditional or not traditional, humble or pretentious, his name is whatever he says it is. -- Robert Hickey
How to List the Name of the Former Holder of Many Offices in a Program? We have a person who is a former Governor, former U.S. Representative, and a former cabinet secretary coming to speak at our campus soon. He now is the president/CEO of his own firm, and is speaking at our campus in that capacity.
As we are preparing the printed program, is it most proper to him as:
The Honorable John Doe
Former Governor of (State)
President/CEO of (Company Name)
-- Confused in Oklahoma
Dear CIO: How you list his former positions can be done in many ways and will depend on how he is being invited: as a former United States Representative or as a former Governor or as a former Secretary or as a current corporate executive or all or only one? #1: If only one is pertinent ... list only his experience pertinent to the event and mention the others in his bio or introduction. #2: Consider not mentioning any of the former offices with his name front and center. Then mention his current endeavor and former offices orally in his introduction ... OR ... in text in a biography in the program. After all it is the person who is speaking, not a resume. #3: If former jobs are listed ... often it's best to avoid using the word former ... since it sounds so past-tense ... and to present his offices as follows: Member, United States House of Representatives 1982-1990 Governor of Oklahoma, 1990-1998 United States Secretary of Defense, 1998-2006 President and CEO, Company Name, 2006 to present -- Robert Hickey
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| How to Sign an Official's Name (Your Boss's Name) on a Sympathy Card? I am sending a sympathy card from our College's President Mary Smith and her husband John Smith. How should the card be signed? I send this sort of sympathy card to our students who may not know her name. Any thoughts on that? -- Suzanne Grey
Dear Ms. Grey: If the recipient might not know the President's name, is not a strictly personal card .... so consider having it be MORE from The President & the College ... not including her husband's name on it. Figuring out a way to include her name & office and his name will be cumbersome. If looks to be personally signed by your boss, how about something like: Mary Smith and the faculty of (Name of) College If it looks typed ... thus looks more official and less personal: Dr. Mary Smith and the faculty of (Name of) College The Dr. is on the latter option because one does not give oneself an honorific in a signature, so she would not actually sign herself as Dr. Mary Smith. I also considered: Mary Smith and your friends at (Name of) College ... but I think she can most appropriately send condolences from the Office of the President and the faculty rather than the student body ... but you would know better than I on that point. -- Robert Hickey How to List an Elected Official on an Agenda? I am preparing an agenda for a meeting and am wondering how to correctly list the individuals that will be attending and making presentations. Although I already know the order of precedence for the agenda and I understand the procedure for addressing a formal letter to such individuals, I am unclear if I am following those formal letter guidelines when listing individuals in the agenda For example: do I write ... Mayor John Doe (first line) City, State (next line) or... The Honorable John Doe (first line) Mayor of City (second line) ... do I need the state as well? Any help would be greatly appreciated. -- Tamara Zanders, Willoughby, Ohio
Dear Ms. Zanders: Most of the questions I get are forms of address .... but an agenda is not a direct form of address ... so there's more leeway in how you present the names. Sometimes the best time to make decisions on how to present names is when you has the entire list in front of you. But ... I certainly prefer: The Honorable Harold Hill Mayor of River City That form is the traditional form of direct address ... and the elected official will certainly like The Honorable being included. Include the state if it would be confusing not include it ... E.g., if you had the mayors of Bristol, Tennessee and Bristol, Virginia at the same event. But if it's not confusing, then it's not necessary. Again that will be the most clear when you have the entire list in front of you. State names are sometimes omitted on wedding invitations for this reason. Sometimes an invitation will state the ceremony will take place in the City of Albany and not mention New York. -- Robert Hickey
How to List an Elected Official in a Program? How does one list the governor or the mayor in a program for an event at which they will be speaking. I found the forms of address in you book, but just not sure if that's what I should use on a program? -- Susan in Honolulu
Dear Susan: Use this formula: 1) list by name 2) identify by office
(Program) Welcome Remarks The Honorable Linda Lingle, Governor of the State of Hawaii The Honorable Mufi Hannemann, Mayor of the City and County of Honolulu
-- Robert Hickey Robert, I don't think it's necessary to list their offices. Everyone will know who they are. O.K? -- Susan in Honolulu
Dear Susan: You are right, sometimes offices are not included because those present may know who Linda Lingle and Mufi Hanneman are. But programs also serve as keepsakes and as a record of the event. Often to include / not to include offices, date, year, and location are made with posterity in mind.
How to List Those With PhD's in a Member's List When Everyone Else is Listed as Mr./Ms.? Most members of my organization are submitting their profiles for the members list have a basic honorific of Mr. or Ms. However, for those who have a Ph.D. and is a Dr., which is the best way to list them? A. Dr. Jane Doe B. Jane Doe, Ph.D. I lean toward B because it is better because to show the kind of doctorate the person has, versus just using Dr. Jane Doe… Otherwise, the person could be an M.D.? -- SS in San Francisco
Dear Judith: 1) Sometimes creating a perfectly consistent list makes the editor happy, but some of the listed are not so happy. They want their names written exactly how they submit their names. 2) I would follow the style they submit, with the logic that everyone is entitled to have their name presented as they prefer it to be presented. So if they submit their name as Dr. or with a PhD ... I would do it exactly like they submit. 3) The MD vs. PhD issue was discussed in my household because my mother's father and brother were medical doctors ... and the MDs would say the PhD's wanted to be Dr. until someone had a heart attack or the malpractice insurance bill needed paying. But that's MDs talking! -- Robert Hickey
How to List & Order - Current & Former Senators? We have an upcoming event next week at which both of our current U. S. Senators will be speaking as will one of our former U. S. Senators, a long-serving senator who retired last year. What is the proper way to differentiate between the current senators and retired senator in the printed program that will be made available to those attending that day? Is the situation different if a senator or member of congress is defeated in an election instead of retiring? This event, sponsored by the University, will be held at our local Air Force Base, so we have political, military, and academic protocol issues coming together at one event. We want to get things right. -- North Dakota Chairman
Dear Dear Mr. Chairman: The forms of address for current and retired senators is the same ... so in the program you should differentiate between them with a modifying statement after their name:
The Honorable Full Name Senator for North Dakota
The Honorable Full Name Senator for North Dakota, 1990-2006
Precedence of current senators is the one elected first is first. Precedence of a former is with, but after any current. Former senators .... retired or defeated ... continue to use the same forms of address. Exception is a senator who was removed from office: he or she would no longer be addressed as The Honorable. I cover all this in my book if this sort of thing comes up often. Just in case you haven't, that local Air Force Base you mention has a Protocol Officer with whom you should be coordinating all this. I don't know who is the current head of protocol at Ellsworth AFB, but plenty of USAF Protocol Officers are grads of The Protocol School of Washington, so it's likely they use my book. -- Robert Hickey |
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Not Finding Your Question Answered? Below are other topics covered in my blog. If you don't see your question answered send me an e-mail. I am pretty fast at sending a reply and if I think It would be of interest to others, I will post the question and the answer with all the names and personal specifics removed. -- Robert Hickey USE OF NAMES & HONORIFICS Mr., Miss, Jr., III, & Names Married Women Deceased Persons People with Two Titles Post-Nominal Abbreviations and Initials Joint Forms of Address (How to address a couple?)
USE OF SPECIFIC OFFICIAL TITLES Former Officials Professionals and Academics
United States Federal Officials, Currently In Office United States State Officials, Currently In Office United States Municipal Officials, Currently In Office All About The Honorable with U.S. Officials Former United States Officials of all types United States Armed Services, Active Duty Addressing Retired Personnel Use of Rank by Retired Personnel Use of Rank by Veterans
Tribal Officials Clergy and Religious Officials Canadian Officials Australian Officials British Officials, Royalty, and Nobility Diplomats and International Representatives Foreign National Officials and Nobility SPECIFIC SITUATIONS Etiquette Flags: Traditions and Protocol Introductions Invitations: Writing & Addressing Invitations: Just Armed Service Personnel Name Tags Names on Programs, Signs, & Lists Place Cards Precedence: Ordering Officials Thank You Notes
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